天圓地方 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 22:47
大明宮周邊狂蓋碉堡涂料樓的時(shí)候咋不說話
風(fēng)光 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 22:52
他算個(gè)求。
洋小兔兒 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 23:10
世界遺產(chǎn)中心是什么組織?級(jí)別如何?編制多少人?申遺時(shí)出了多少力?
最重要的是每年給大明宮遺址多少保護(hù)經(jīng)費(fèi)?給西安人民多少為維護(hù)遺產(chǎn)做出犧牲的補(bǔ)貼?
天圓地方 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 22:47
大明宮周邊狂蓋碉堡涂料樓的時(shí)候咋不說話
hr216 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 23:09
在自己的地盤上改擴(kuò)建個(gè)火車站,還需要他們指手畫腳?!一群垃圾!
威廉慕斯516 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 23:17
媽賣批,站著說話不腰疼,西安干脆不發(fā)展了,遺產(chǎn)你大爺?shù)?/blockquote>
minzzzzzz 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 23:50
他們沒有強(qiáng)迫改進(jìn)火車站的權(quán)力,但是有取消大明宮作為世界遺產(chǎn)的權(quán)力。
cs21048644 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 23:21
遺址也算遺產(chǎn)的一種,比如羅馬的斗獸場(chǎng)、雅典衛(wèi)城都算遺址類,只不過東方土木結(jié)構(gòu)遺址基本就剩土了...
shulinbao 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 23:32
It is also regrettable that the State Party of China did not submit the proposal for re-developing and enlarging the Xi’an Railway Station at an earlier stage, to avert or mitigate adverse impacts on the setting of the Daming Palace component, as detailed in the ICOMOS Technical Review. Had the HIA been prepared earlier and been submitted to the World Heritage Centre with proposed designs, this project might have been amended to avoid its adverse impacts on the setting of the Daming Palace site. However, at this late stage, when construction work is already underway and the project is due for completion in July 2021, it is not feasible to recommend changes that might mitigate the adverse impacts in any meaningful way. It is recommended that the Committee remind the States Parties of the provisions of Paragraphs 118bis and 172 of the Operational Guidelines regarding any major restoration or new construction which may affect the Outstanding Universal Value (OUV) of the property, and that such plans, including assessment of potential impacts on the property’s OUV, should be submitted as soon as possible and before making any decision that would be difficult to reverse. In the case of this serial transnational property, it is recommended that coordination should also be sought through the ICC.
幸好這次西安這次跟世界遺產(chǎn)中心提交的晚了,不然看世界遺產(chǎn)中心的意思,這個(gè)火車站的建筑方案非得修改不成。
cs21048644 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 23:58
本帖最后由 cs21048644 于 2021-6-27 00:04 編輯
今年被除名的有英國(guó)的“利物浦海事商城”,意大利-威尼斯城 都是因?yàn)楦F(xiàn)代建設(shè)沖突,可見這種矛盾全世界都一樣
在“利物浦海事商城”被UNESCO建議從《世界遺產(chǎn)名錄》中除名后,《利物浦回聲報(bào)》對(duì)其讀者發(fā)起了問卷調(diào)查,共收到1826人的回復(fù),談及他們對(duì)利物浦世界遺產(chǎn)將被除名的前景時(shí)有何感受。
在回答 "你是否認(rèn)為利物浦需要世界遺產(chǎn)?"時(shí),52%的人說是,約36%的人回答否,8%的人表示不關(guān)心,4%的人不確定答案。
被問到UNESCO是否有可能阻礙利物浦的復(fù)興時(shí),48%的人回答是,37%的人回答否。
在類似主題的問題下,45%的受訪者表示,如果北碼頭和埃弗頓足球俱樂部新球場(chǎng)的開發(fā)得以進(jìn)行,他們已準(zhǔn)備好失去世界遺產(chǎn)的稱號(hào),43%的受訪者表示沒準(zhǔn)備好。這是一個(gè)相當(dāng)接近的結(jié)果。
當(dāng)被問及利物浦世界遺產(chǎn)被除名的打擊有多大時(shí),32%的人稱 "巨大",24%的人稱"很大",22%的人回答 "不是很大",22%的人回 "根本不是什么打擊"。
長(zhǎng)安憶 發(fā)表于 2021-6-27 00:15
本來去掉很美的大屋頂就是一種妥協(xié)與尊重!只要火車站工程質(zhì)量100分,出行便利100分就夠了,幾十年后或許可 ...
威廉慕斯516 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 23:17
媽賣批,站著說話不腰疼,西安干脆不發(fā)展了,遺產(chǎn)你大爺?shù)?/blockquote>
cs21048644 發(fā)表于 2021-6-27 00:23
洛陽(yáng)的緩沖區(qū)劃的更大,緩沖區(qū)里限高,從圖上能看出來火車站正好在大明宮的緩沖區(qū)里,再往外一點(diǎn)就不是了 ...
cs21048644 發(fā)表于 2021-6-27 00:29
不一定,你看日本奈良 復(fù)建南大門、大極殿、朱雀門啥的,一樣還是世遺
種情 發(fā)表于 2021-06-27 00:50
北京話,四川話
minzzzzzz 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 23:50
他們沒有強(qiáng)迫改進(jìn)火車站的權(quán)力,但是有取消大明宮作為世界遺產(chǎn)的權(quán)力。
橋傑聖 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 23:32
世遺?算個(gè)錘子 給你提交資料都算給你臉了
hr216 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 23:43
你有知!倒是讓他門把毀滅圓明園的行徑給個(gè)說法!
13453968916 發(fā)表于 2021-06-27 08:02
這是兩個(gè)事呢?還是同一個(gè)事呢?有點(diǎn)思考好不好呢?
cs21048644 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 22:51
幸虧先斬后奏,否則火車站就沒了
13453968916 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 23:39
這話說的有意思,不想遵守人家群的規(guī)則,咱可以不進(jìn)人家的群,也沒人強(qiáng)迫加入吧?總不能既想進(jìn)群,又不想遵守規(guī)則吧。這話沒錯(cuò)吧?
社會(huì)主義接班人 發(fā)表于 2021-6-27 10:43
還是前期工作不夠充分,如果要充分滿足世遺的和國(guó)內(nèi)文物局的要求,說不定還真有可能出個(gè)全地下的方案,也是 ...
luocheng 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 23:02
本帖最后由 luocheng 于 2021-6-26 23:17 編輯
大明宮有遺產(chǎn)嗎?充其量就是遺址吧。有時(shí)候覺得很搞笑,十年前這地方還是棚戶區(qū),現(xiàn)在卻要供奉起來。公園就公園唄,誠(chéng)實(shí)一點(diǎn)多好啊,市民能直管感受到它,你說它有歷史就有歷史唄,市民也不反對(duì)。但你真把歷史當(dāng)一回事,扯得太多了,就會(huì)沒人愿意聽了。試想,五千年的歷史,哪個(gè)城市腳下沒點(diǎn)歷史?如果都要圈起來,豈不是滿城都是遺址?
shulinbao 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 23:32
It is also regrettable that the State Party of China did not submit the proposal for re-developing and enlarging the Xi’an Railway Station at an earlier stage, to avert or mitigate adverse impacts on the setting of the Daming Palace component, as detailed in the ICOMOS Technical Review. Had the HIA been prepared earlier and been submitted to the World Heritage Centre with proposed designs, this project might have been amended to avoid its adverse impacts on the setting of the Daming Palace site. However, at this late stage, when construction work is already underway and the project is due for completion in July 2021, it is not feasible to recommend changes that might mitigate the adverse impacts in any meaningful way. It is recommended that the Committee remind the States Parties of the provisions of Paragraphs 118bis and 172 of the Operational Guidelines regarding any major restoration or new construction which may affect the Outstanding Universal Value (OUV) of the property, and that such plans, including assessment of potential impacts on the property’s OUV, should be submitted as soon as possible and before making any decision that would be difficult to reverse. In the case of this serial transnational property, it is recommended that coordination should also be sought through the ICC.
幸好這次西安這次跟世界遺產(chǎn)中心提交的晚了,不然看世界遺產(chǎn)中心的意思,這個(gè)火車站的建筑方案非得修改不成。
13453968916 發(fā)表于 2021-06-26 23:39
這話說的有意思,不想遵守人家群的規(guī)則,咱可以不進(jìn)人家的群,也沒人強(qiáng)迫加入吧?總不能既想進(jìn)群,又不想遵守規(guī)則吧。這話沒錯(cuò)吧?
洋小兔兒 發(fā)表于 2021-6-27 23:48
為什的不行呢?選擇有利于自己的執(zhí)行,不利于自己的舍棄忽略。西方大國(guó)不都是這樣的么?
xiekou 發(fā)表于 2021-06-27 09:41
沒了不更好嗎?整體搬遷,隴海線市內(nèi)段也跟著搬遷。城墻北環(huán)路加隴海線段?梢孕蕹梢蛔扌蛷V場(chǎng)。城墻直接與大明宮交相輝映!
cs21048644 發(fā)表于 2021-6-28 11:49
一樣的,西方國(guó)家被取消世遺稱號(hào)也不少,今年就有3個(gè),大多數(shù)人也不覺得是多大的問題
luocheng 發(fā)表于 2021-6-26 23:02
大明宮有遺產(chǎn)嗎?充其量就是遺址吧。有時(shí)候覺得很搞笑,十年前這地方還是棚戶區(qū),現(xiàn)在卻要供奉起來。公園就 ...
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